Still searching

[Robin Harritt]

Just on the off chance that anyone still looks in at these newsgroups, my
search goes on.

http://robin.robin.org/search/

And of course the more this link appears the nearer the top it comes in any
Google search and if I post it on alt.adoption it'll appear on talk
parenting adoption and all those other web based forums that feed off
alt.adoption! No one ever looks at those but they get spidered by google's
web search robots.


Robin

[r***@pacific.net.sg]

I had a look, out of curiosity.

On the matter of Arashoon: I found a mention in a reference to a early
19th century meeting of the East India society, where it may have been
a typo for Arathoon.

Rupa

Post by Robin Harritt
Just on the off chance that anyone still looks in at these

newsgroups, my

Post by Robin Harritt
search goes on.
http://robin.robin.org/search/
And of course the more this link appears the nearer the top it comes in any
Google search and if I post it on alt.adoption it'll appear on talk
parenting adoption and all those other web based forums that feed off
alt.adoption! No one ever looks at those but they get spidered by google's
web search robots.
Robin

[Robin Harritt]

Post by r***@pacific.net.sg
I had a look, out of curiosity.
On the matter of Arashoon: I found a mention in a reference to a early
19th century meeting of the East India society, where it may have been
a typo for Arathoon.
Rupa

Thanks Rupa

Is Arathoon an Indian name?

I've seen the article about the paper on Jaina Philosophy presented by V.
R. Gandhi to a meeting of the East India Association, and where a Mr. C. W.
Arashoon, was listed as Hon. Secretary. I've seen several versions of it, so
never considered it could be a typo.

I think on the certificate for Frank and Hilda's marriage it is V. Arashoon
see http://robin.robin.org/search/bmd.html or the link on
http://robin.robin.org/search the character in the fold looks to me to
clearly an be "a" on the original the next character an "s" going by the
Registrar's handwriting elsewhere on the certificate.

It is obvious that Barnardo's has something it is desperate to hide about
this situation. It crosses my mind that perhaps one of the Threadgolds was
partly Anglo-Indian. Barnardos was despite the image that it likes to
create of its self, a viciously racist organisation at that time, remember
the remarks that Phil Frampton found on his Barnardo's file "Any physical
defects or maladies: Half-Caste."

Robin

[r***@pacific.net.sg]

Post by Robin Harritt

Post by r***@pacific.net.sg
I had a look, out of curiosity.
On the matter of Arashoon: I found a mention in a reference to a early
19th century meeting of the East India society, where it may have been
a typo for Arathoon.
Rupa

Thanks Rupa
Is Arathoon an Indian name?

It's not one I'm familiar with, but in Googling, it seems to have some
connection with Bombay -- either as an Anglo-Indian name, or as a
Persian name. There's someone in Singapore who was trying to find
connections with that name.

Post by Robin Harritt
I've seen the article about the paper on Jaina Philosophy presented by V.
R. Gandhi to a meeting of the East India Association, and where a Mr. C. W.
Arashoon, was listed as Hon. Secretary. I've seen several versions of it, so
never considered it could be a typo.

I thought it might be because among the participants at that meeting
were listed Mrs and Miss Arathoon, and I wondered if they were wife and
daughter of the Hon Sec. Of course, the t could be a typo as well, but
then I did get the google response on arathoon.

Post by Robin Harritt
I think on the certificate for Frank and Hilda's marriage it is V. Arashoon
see http://robin.robin.org/search/bmd.html or the link on
http://robin.robin.org/search the character in the fold looks to me to
clearly an be "a" on the original the next character an "s" going by the
Registrar's handwriting elsewhere on the certificate.
It is obvious that Barnardo's has something it is desperate to hide about
this situation. It crosses my mind that perhaps one of the

Threadgolds was

Post by Robin Harritt
partly Anglo-Indian. Barnardos was despite the image that it likes to
create of its self, a viciously racist organisation at that time, remember
the remarks that Phil Frampton found on his Barnardo's file "Any physical
defects or maladies: Half-Caste."

It's entirely possible. And to be fair to Barnardo's, quite within the
ethos of the time (1950s?) especially outside big cities. How come your
sisters remained with them, though?

Rupa

[Robin Harritt]

Robin Harritt wrote: in article

Post by Robin Harritt

Post by r***@pacific.net.sg
I had a look, out of curiosity.
On the matter of Arashoon: I found a mention in a reference to a early 19th
century meeting of the East India society, where it may have been a typo for
Arathoon.
Rupa

Thanks Rupa
Is Arathoon an Indian name?

It's not one I'm familiar with, but in Googling, it seems to have some
connection with Bombay -- either as an Anglo-Indian name, or as a Persian
name. There's someone in Singapore who was trying to find connections with
that name.

Post by Robin Harritt
I've seen the article about the paper on Jaina Philosophy presented by V.
R. Gandhi to a meeting of the East India Association, and where a Mr. C. W.
Arashoon, was listed as Hon. Secretary. I've seen several versions of it, so
never considered it could be a typo.

I thought it might be because among the participants at that meeting were
listed Mrs and Miss Arathoon, and I wondered if they were wife and daughter of
the Hon Sec. Of course, the t could be a typo as well, but then I did get the
google response on arathoon.

Post by Robin Harritt
I think on the certificate for Frank and Hilda's marriage it is V. Arashoon
see http://robin.robin.org/search/bmd.html or the link on
http://robin.robin.org/search the character in the fold looks to me to
clearly an be "a" on the original the next character an "s" going by the
Registrar's handwriting elsewhere on the certificate.
It is obvious that Barnardo's has something it is desperate to hide about
this situation. It crosses my mind that perhaps one of the Threadgolds was
partly Anglo-Indian. Barnardos was despite the image that it likes to create
of its self, a viciously racist organisation at that time, remember the
remarks that Phil Frampton found on his Barnardo's file "Any physical defects
or maladies: Half-Caste."

It's entirely possible. And to be fair to Barnardo's, quite within the ethos
of the time (1950s?) especially outside big cities. How come your sisters
remained with them, though?

They were not my sisters ( unofficial foster sisters I suppose you could
call them), they were I believe like me children that Frank and Hilda had
acquired along the way. Threadgold was not Penelope and Cynthia's real
surname I believe. I have looked to see if they were born Arashoon among
many other names, I'll now have to check Arathoon as well.

Robin

[r***@pacific.net.sg]

Post by Robin Harritt

Post by r***@pacific.net.sg
I had a look, out of curiosity.
On the matter of Arashoon: I found a mention in a reference to a early
19th century meeting of the East India society, where it may have been
a typo for Arathoon.
Rupa

I think on the certificate for Frank and Hilda's marriage it is V. Arashoon
see http://robin.robin.org/search/bmd.html or the link on
http://robin.robin.org/search the character in the fold looks to me to
clearly an be "a" on the original the next character an "s" going by the
Registrar's handwriting elsewhere on the certificate.

I think it could also be a 't' -- take a look at the 't' in Hubert?
I don't suppose that brings you much closer to a find, but I'd suggest
searching for either variant.

Rupa

[Robin Harritt]

Robin Harritt wrote: in article

Post by Robin Harritt

Post by r***@pacific.net.sg
I had a look, out of curiosity.
On the matter of Arashoon: I found a mention in a reference to a early 19th
century meeting of the East India society, where it may have been a typo for
Arathoon.
Rupa

I think on the certificate for Frank and Hilda's marriage it is V. Arashoon
see http://robin.robin.org/search/bmd.html or the link on
http://robin.robin.org/search the character in the fold looks to me to
clearly an be "a" on the original the next character an "s" going by the
Registrar's handwriting elsewhere on the certificate.

I think it could also be a 't' -- take a look at the 't' in Hubert? I don't
suppose that brings you much closer to a find, but I'd suggest searching for
either variant.
Rupa

I see what you mean, but that is a " t " at the end of a word he writes a
slightly different "t" in the middle of words like Stretford, but I do see
I am going to have to look for both.

Robin

[r***@pacific.net.sg]

Post by Robin Harritt

Post by r***@pacific.net.sg
I had a look, out of curiosity.
On the matter of Arashoon: I found a mention in a reference to a early
19th century meeting of the East India society, where it may have been
a typo for Arathoon.
Rupa

Thanks Rupa
Is Arathoon an Indian name?

Okay, on a bit more research, it looks like it is a South Indian name.
There's a road of the name in Chennai (used to be Madras). It may be a
South Indian Christian name; two hits I got had Jacob and Marion as
first names.

That would make V either something like Victor or...a lengthy House or
village name. Or father's name. (South Indian usage is to put the
village or house name first, father's given name second, and given name
last -- but variations are possible, it's not at all standard. By that
nomenclature, I would be C.A.Rupa, where C stood for my birth-town, A
for my father's given name, and Rupa for my own given name.)

If it's a given name used for a surname, it makes tracing him a lot
tougher, because his male relatives would all have different names.

It's possible he was a relative; OTOH, he may have been something to do
with the church if their church had an active presence in India.

More if I find out more.

Rupa

[Robin Harritt]

Post by r***@pacific.net.sg

Post by Robin Harritt

Post by r***@pacific.net.sg
I had a look, out of curiosity.
On the matter of Arashoon: I found a mention in a reference to a

early

Post by Robin Harritt

Post by r***@pacific.net.sg
19th century meeting of the East India society, where it may have

been

Post by Robin Harritt

Post by r***@pacific.net.sg
a typo for Arathoon.
Rupa

Thanks Rupa
Is Arathoon an Indian name?

Okay, on a bit more research, it looks like it is a South Indian name.
There's a road of the name in Chennai (used to be Madras). It may be a
South Indian Christian name; two hits I got had Jacob and Marion as
first names.
That would make V either something like Victor or...a lengthy House or
village name. Or father's name. (South Indian usage is to put the
village or house name first, father's given name second, and given name
last -- but variations are possible, it's not at all standard. By that
nomenclature, I would be C.A.Rupa, where C stood for my birth-town, A
for my father's given name, and Rupa for my own given name.)
If it's a given name used for a surname, it makes tracing him a lot
tougher, because his male relatives would all have different names.
It's possible he was a relative; OTOH, he may have been something to do
with the church if their church had an active presence in India.
More if I find out more.
Rupa

Thanks Rupa,

I expect a long trawl through the death indexes at the Family Record Centre
will reveal more about V. Arashoon (Arathoon) It was all a long time ago, he
or she is unlikely still to be around. From the marriage certificate the
Threadgolds appear to be Methodists I've not heard of that particular branch
of Christianity being well established in the India of the Raj.

It is usual for the witnesses on a English marriage certificates to be
relatives or friends of the bride and groom rather than church officials.
Where would someone from Manchester make friends with someone from India or
Iran in the 1930s I wonder, or what would an Indian or Persian be doing in
Manchester then?


Robin

[John E Wynn]

Post by Robin Harritt
I expect a long trawl through the death indexes at the Family Record Centre
will reveal more about V. Arashoon (Arathoon) It was all a long time ago, he
or she is unlikely still to be around. From the marriage certificate the
Threadgolds appear to be Methodists I've not heard of that particular branch
of Christianity being well established in the India of the Raj.
It is usual for the witnesses on a English marriage certificates to be
relatives or friends of the bride and groom rather than church officials.
Where would someone from Manchester make friends with someone from India or
Iran in the 1930s I wonder, or what would an Indian or Persian be doing in
Manchester then?

Hi Robin

I can't find any evidence of the name ARASHOON in UK but there is no
shortage of people called ARATHOON. They seem to be largely found in
north west England, especially Cheshire. All the first names seem to
be fairly typical English as well, so India may well be a red herring.

I ran a search of the post 1983 death indexes using wildcards ARA*OON
and that produced a match of interest.

Veronica ARATHOON date of birth 5 Jun 1914 death registered West
Surrey in Jan 2002. She actually lived in Wallasey until moving to
Farnham in Surrey in 1999, to live with (I think) her daughter.

She was old enough to have been married, and a witness, on that 1940
marriage certificate - and seems to have previously been living in the
right area. Although she is now deceased it could be well
worthwhile contacting the next of kin..

John Wynn

[Robin Harritt]

Post by John E Wynn

Post by Robin Harritt
I expect a long trawl through the death indexes at the Family Record Centre
will reveal more about V. Arashoon (Arathoon) It was all a long time ago, he
or she is unlikely still to be around. From the marriage certificate the
Threadgolds appear to be Methodists I've not heard of that particular branch
of Christianity being well established in the India of the Raj.
It is usual for the witnesses on a English marriage certificates to be
relatives or friends of the bride and groom rather than church officials.
Where would someone from Manchester make friends with someone from India or
Iran in the 1930s I wonder, or what would an Indian or Persian be doing in
Manchester then?

Hi Robin
I can't find any evidence of the name ARASHOON in UK but there is no
shortage of people called ARATHOON. They seem to be largely found in
north west England, especially Cheshire. All the first names seem to
be fairly typical English as well, so India may well be a red herring.
I ran a search of the post 1983 death indexes using wildcards ARA*OON
and that produced a match of interest.
Veronica ARATHOON date of birth 5 Jun 1914 death registered West
Surrey in Jan 2002. She actually lived in Wallasey until moving to
Farnham in Surrey in 1999, to live with (I think) her daughter.
She was old enough to have been married, and a witness, on that 1940
marriage certificate - and seems to have previously been living in the
right area. Although she is now deceased it could be well
worthwhile contacting the next of kin..
John Wynn

Thanks ever so John

I was going to have a look for Arathoon in the post 1983 deaths on
1837online this evening, got to buy more credits they eat my last lot,
you've saved me the trouble and added much useful information besides. I'll
buy the death certificate I'll also have to look out one of my old
Info-Disks for that name in Farnham (unless you could e-mail it to me , rh
@ the same domain as in the header of this post). How are the GRO on letting
us have recent death certificates at the moment?

Robin

[John E Wynn]

Post by Robin Harritt

Post by John E Wynn
I can't find any evidence of the name ARASHOON in UK but there is no
shortage of people called ARATHOON. They seem to be largely found in
north west England, especially Cheshire. All the first names seem to
be fairly typical English as well, so India may well be a red herring.
I ran a search of the post 1983 death indexes using wildcards ARA*OON
and that produced a match of interest.
Veronica ARATHOON date of birth 5 Jun 1914 death registered West
Surrey in Jan 2002. She actually lived in Wallasey until moving to
Farnham in Surrey in 1999, to live with (I think) her daughter.
She was old enough to have been married, and a witness, on that 1940
marriage certificate - and seems to have previously been living in the
right area. Although she is now deceased it could be well
worthwhile contacting the next of kin..
John Wynn

Thanks ever so John
I was going to have a look for Arathoon in the post 1983 deaths on
1837online this evening, got to buy more credits they eat my last lot,
you've saved me the trouble and added much useful information besides. I'll
buy the death certificate I'll also have to look out one of my old
Info-Disks for that name in Farnham (unless you could e-mail it to me , rh
@ the same domain as in the header of this post). How are the GRO on letting
us have recent death certificates at the moment?

Hi Robin

I'll email you the address I have for Veronica, where she lived with
the person I suspect is her daughter. The same person is probably
the registrant on the death certificate.

There is no problem getting recent certs - some that I buy are so
recent the ink is hardly dry !

You can order the certificate online via the GRO but they are
sometimes awkward and insist on the date of death (which of course we
don't know !) So I either use a certificate agent (I've used Peter D
Smith for many years), or apply direct to the local office which is
usually the quickest option (mostly return post if you remember to
send a sae).

The local office is:

Superintendent Registrar
Artington House
Portsmouth Road
Guildford
Surrey
GU2 5DZ.

Tel: [phone]

John

[r***@pacific.net.sg]

Final Arathoon words:

It was a typo. I found a 1907 death announcement for the man (Early
20th, I should have said) at www.gandhiserve.org/cwmg/VOL008.PDF

"1. LATE MR. ARATHOON
The mail last week brought the sad news of Mr. Arathoon'sdeath. Mr.
Arathoon in his capacity as the honorary secretary of the
East India Association served it for a number of years faithfully and
well. As Editor of The Asiatic Quarterly Review, his work is known to
all who have any connection with India. But he is best known to
Indians in South Africa for his very great sympathy for them and the
constant attention he gave to the question in connection with the
Association, with which he was so closely identified. He never missed
an opportunity of bringing it to the notice of the Association, and
thereby to that of the authorities. He rendered very valuable
assistance
to the deputation last year by his whole-hearted co-operation. We
tender our condolences to Mr. Arathoon's family.Indian Opinion,
14-12-1907"


And here's something (someone?) who may be able to help you.

http://genforum.genealogy.com/arathoon/

It seems to be of Persian/ Armenian origin, but many passed through
India.

Rupa

[Robin Harritt]

It was a typo. I found a 1907 death announcement for the man (Early 20th, I
should have said) at www.gandhiserve.org/cwmg/VOL008.PDF
"1. LATE MR. ARATHOON The mail last week brought the sad news of Mr.
Arathoon'sdeath. Mr. Arathoon in his capacity as the honorary secretary of the
East India Association served it for a number of years faithfully and well. As
Editor of The Asiatic Quarterly Review, his work is known to all who have any
connection with India. But he is best known to Indians in South Africa for his
very great sympathy for them and the constant attention he gave to the
question in connection with the Association, with which he was so closely
identified. He never missed an opportunity of bringing it to the notice of the
Association, and thereby to that of the authorities. He rendered very valuable
assistance to the deputation last year by his whole-hearted co-operation. We
tender our condolences to Mr. Arathoon's family.Indian Opinion, 14-12-1907"
And here's something (someone?) who may be able to help you.
http://genforum.genealogy.com/arathoon/
It seems to be of Persian/ Armenian origin, but many passed through
India.
Rupa

Thanks Rupa, so my V.Arashoon may also be Arathoon. I shall follow it up.

Robin